OT Disappointed: A Note

[buggerthis22.livejournal.com]

All right, I'm just going to say this because it's something that must be done.

Ladies and gents, I must tell you all how disappointed I am in you. Recently, it was called to my attention that I forgot an LJ-Cut when I posted a story. Due to this, I was "attacked"--per se--by fellow LJ girls. This whole situation caused me to realize what a bunch of bitches sensitive people are on livejournal. I'm not saying that it isn't right to correct someone who does something like that, but it was done in such a way that I felt as if I were being attacked--by my fellow writers and readers nonetheless. It's a complete outrage and almost makes me regret being a part of this fandom. I know I'm not the only person it has happened to, and I know I won't be the last; I'm just the person who wants to say something loud and clear. I don't even care if no one wants to take an interest in my stories because of this, but I knew I had to say it. The rudeness shown in these remarks is a low blow. Not to mention, I thought feedback was meant to build other writers up, not make them feel like they have nothing to offer because of one silly mistake.

As for the people who do want to continue reading my stories, thank you so much for your support. I'm going to learn how to link to the other parts of Angst: The Series, and post them with the next part. I'm not sure how many parts there will be, but the next one does clarify things a bit. Have a great day.

As for the rest of you, I don't mean to come across as a bitch rude, cold person. But I felt it was my duty to say something. I hope you can take what I said into consideration. Just think how you would feel if you had been at the recieving end of some of those comments. I still love you all.

Comments

[acroamatica.livejournal.com]

I wasn't involved, originally; I don't think I even saw this. You're quite right, there is no excuse for rudeness. But at the same time, if you don't take the time to investigate the format rules for comms (just see what everyone else does!) and/or even ask a simple question like "How do you do an lj-cut or one of those fancy links?", you have to expect people to be displeased. Generally, it's much better received to make a post in a comm that asks a question like that than to just decide since you don't know how, you needn't do it. People are happy to sort out the newbies. We all remember when we didn't know how either.

For reference, an lj-cut (hides text in the same post) is
shown text [lj-cut text="link text"]hidden text[/lj-cut] shown text, only with < > instead of [ ].

A link is [a href="website URL"]link text[/a], < > of course.

[krz4dom.livejournal.com]

it says she forgot a lj-cut, not that she didnt know how to do it. she wasnt ignoring the rules, she just forgot. ive done that before, so i cant totally understand the concept, noone is perfect and because of this...i can deal with a post in my lj flist that is a bit longer than usual.

and i will agree that there is no need to be rude about it though i didnt go check to see what the comments were that brought up this post so yeah. :)

[buggerthis22.livejournal.com]

Thank you for paying close attention to what I said. Just so people understand, I'm pretty savvy when it comes to cuts and other such things, so it was a simple mistake. Thanks!

[perfect-oasis.livejournal.com]

I know it would've upset me to be on the receiving end of those comments and I'm sorry you had to get them. I agree -- there's no reason to be rude about it. A gentle reminder is all that's needed - I doubt anyone is trying to clog up flists! *shakes head*

Anyway, yesh. *hugs* I'm sorry you had to endure that.

[buggerthis22.livejournal.com]

Thanks! ^^

[warpedrealityjl.livejournal.com]

I didn't see the comments originally- did see the story though (and liked it, alot).

Honestly, hun.. I don't know, obviously it would have been better if you could have put a question, but nobody's perfect, and sometimes we get embaressed- it's not right to attack someone for making a mistake. But really, fandom- it's the same as everywhere else, just because people have the same interest as you doesn't necessarily mean you'll get on with them, you're going to meet nice, not so nice, and downright nasty people here.. Same as everywhere else.

Chin up, lovie :) Not everyone is like that. I would personally have just given a you a tip and recommended they edit it, along with talking about the story. But people approach things differently.

However- a note- if any of it was just honest advice, or a tip, don't take that as an attack..

Mwah
xxx

[buggerthis22.livejournal.com]

The first comment I recieved on the subject was a polite reminder. Because of it, I went and fixed the cut. The problem was, I still had comments after the first one rudely telling me to put the story under the cut. I was just commenting not only on something personal, but I'm sure this has happened to others.

[warpedrealityjl.livejournal.com]

Yeah.. I was agreeing with you. It's horrible to get attacked like that.

[lazarus-04.livejournal.com]

Hey, I know what you mean. I read the comments and they did sound a bit rude to me, but if there's one thing I've learned about posting on lj's, its to be careful what you write, because it can so easily be misconstrued. So, although I kind of agree on the rude bit, I reserve my judgement. After all, maybe they didn't mean to be rude. It isn't everybody that reads the comments BEFORE posting...

Oh and by the way, EXCELLENT story! Keep it up, don't leave us hanging! lol

[buggerthis22.livejournal.com]

You're not going to like the end of the next part... just a bit of a warning.

[slashysunshine.livejournal.com]

I did something like that once. Needless to say I will never post in that certain community ever again.

Sorry you got shat on. *hugs*

[blueruin26.livejournal.com]

Generally I have found that if you ask questions like how do you make an LJ cut, fancy cut, etc you get jumped on. It's been my personal experience and others I know as well. People assume you know and if you don't it seems to piss them off and they get rude and/or snarky. Which is unecessary.

Forgetting to put a story behind the cut happens. I know I'm guilty of doing it at times and then going back and fixing it. No real harm done. Gentle reminders are good because none of us are perfect and we do forget sometimes. We're only human.

[esorlehcar.livejournal.com]

But I felt it was my duty to say something.

I missed the kerfluffle (I'm assuming you've either deleted the post or comments on the post, as I can't find any attacks on you here), so I have no idea of the tenor of remarks you received. If people were rude, that's certainly unfortunate. But spamming a community with more than 1,000 people to whine about it also rude.

Responding directly to the people you feel were mean to you or contacting the moderator would have been a much better way to handle this.

[shellies.livejournal.com]

*points* what she said. this isn't the way to handle it. contact your moderator if you feel that you've been mistreated.

[buggerthis22.livejournal.com]

I'm sorry if you felt I was "Spamming the community". I wasn't whining. If you saw it as that, then I clearly wrote it in a way that it could be seen as such. I was trying to avoid "whining" while pointing out a fact that I had never realized. Mainly because many people are too afriad to speak against it.

[esorlehcar.livejournal.com]

You were spamming, and you absolutely were whining. You showed poor netiquette by posting a story without a cut tag, and people asked you to correct your behavior. As I said, I haven't seen the comments, and it's unfortunate if they were rude, but in the end, you screwed up, people called you on it, and then you spammed the entire community to complain about being called on screwing up.

If you don't want to be called on screwing up, follow the community rules. If you make a mistake, take your lumps and remember for next time.

[warpedrealityjl.livejournal.com]

Ok, sorlehcar, are you showing good 'netiquette' right now? Try reading peoples comments before bitching at them, ok? She said she got called on it once and went back and corrected her honest mistake- yeah you hear that? MISTAKE. People make them sometimes!- and still got spammed with rude comments in her story's comment section. I would hardly call a notice asking for peoples attention like she did spamming- that's like saying that by going to the principal having been bullied is wasting his time. Yeah- she could have just gone to a mod, but she wanted a statement that EVERYONE would hear loud and clear that to attack someone for an honest mistake is UNacceptable. Having corrected the mistake immediately there was no need for anyone to keep on being rude and attacking her. I would hardly call making a mistake breaking community rules.

All you are doing here- is continuing the attack, shut up and get on with your own life and leave a girl- who decided to deal with a problem her way- alone.

Making a complaint and whining are two very different things. Bullying is one thing, and takes many forms.

[esorlehcar.livejournal.com]

One more time, slowly, since both you and the original poster seem to have difficulty grasping the concept. This post was spam. It was inappropriate for this community, and it was not the right way to handle the perceived attack (if it was indeed an attack, and not simply people asking her to follow a community rule - if the original "attacks" were along the lines of my comments, that makes this post even more ludicrous).

The original poster broke a community rule, whether she did so mistakenly or not. The people who responded asked her to follow that rule. They were in the right, she was in the wrong. If they were rude when they asked her to follow the rules, that's unfortunate, but it doesn't change the fact that they were in the right and she was in the wrong.

Asking someone to put a story behind an LJ-cut is not bullying. It's not an attack, and it's not rude. Spamming an entire community to complain about being asked to follow the rules, however, is both rude and inappropriate. Period.

[buggerthis22.livejournal.com]

It was called to my attention, that no one MADE you read the post. Thank you and good night.

[esorlehcar.livejournal.com]

You're absolutely right. I read it because it appeared on my friends list, along with the friends lists of the 1,000 plus other people you spammed by posting it.

[buggerthis22.livejournal.com]

Did I post the same thing more than once? I posted it on TWO--count 'em--TWO boards... which means it MIGHT have appeared on your friendlist twice. Spamming would be posting it over and over and over and over and over and over... again

[esorlehcar.livejournal.com]

You posted an off-topic, inappropriate post to a large community. That's spamming. Period. The fact that you don't understand that does not change the fact.

[buggerthis22.livejournal.com]

*throws up hands* Some one's got to be the bigger person here. I give up.

[buggerthis22.livejournal.com]

Can I also note that "whining" is more of an "OH guys! Look what they did to me! POOOOOR ME! They attacked ME! It's only ever happened to ME!" and spamming would be more of constantly posting the same thing over and over again... but that's just my opinion

[bibliotech.livejournal.com]

And calling them "bitches" in strikethrough doesn't make it any better, either.

[andrealyn]

Moderator popping in. If someone has been rude, please send me a line because I'll step in. It's one of the rules to basically 'play nice' and I'm never above enforcing that.

[buggerthis22.livejournal.com]

Thank you. This won't happen again, but I'll keep that in mind.

[owlgrey.livejournal.com]

Hey we all make mistakes! Man I've made some doozies. But I would hope we are all here to be supportive to each other.

[buggerthis22.livejournal.com]

Thanks so much!

[zahz87.livejournal.com]

I hate getting involved with these things, hence to reason i've tried to stay out of fandom. But im glad you did this post. Someone people need to realise that a bit of courtesy doesn't hurt. You had every right to post this coz i know in the past there have been incidents like this and the same people trying to cover it up by telling them they shouldn't have done a post like what you have done. But good on you girl you did the right thing. The amount of time i've got angry with this fandom and have just wanted to lash out so others could see and not just that person.

Im sorry you had to go through such rudness from people from this fandom, it upsets me as well.

Your not alone in thinking what you posted.

[buggerthis22.livejournal.com]

Thank you so much! *massive hugs*